Lightning Lane Premier Pass Sells Out at All Four Disney World Parks Today

bmr15914 hours ago

I stand corrected on the purchase before booking. My mistake. I still believe it's not as optimal. Like what Purduveian said, probably a higher floor, but a much lower ceiling imo.

Purduevian4 hours ago

I think this is the whole point of the LLMP system... Less people get Remy and FEA which means more people get Remy OR FEA.

MickeyLuv'r4 hours ago

Slinky, Remy, Tiana, Na'vi are usually 100% gone- on the day you plan to use them.

MickeyLuv'r4 hours ago

In theory. You can only modify a pass to a different time if it is still available. On the whole tier 1's aren't available same day, and most of the rest sell out as the day goes on. That's what I meant. So sure, you can change Remy to Nemo, but that's not a good trade, IMO. I was also partly trying to draw a contrast from my experience using G+. I wasn't always able to modify G+ passes either, but more able to modify them than I've have using LLMP. In HS as of 2pm the following are the available options: Aliens 8pm, MMRR out, MF 8:25pm, RNRC out, Slinky out, Rise out, TSM 9pm, ToT out. While the tiers open up after you tap your 1st, you are still looking at leftovers. Looking above, I'm slightly surprised to see TSM available. It is probably an afternoon drop that was not available half an hour ago. You will generally NOT see same-day passes for Remy or FEA. The tier 1 you prebook in Epcot is the usually one you get, and you have little control over the time you are assigned. You can maybe swap 11am for 4pm - if you do it 3 days before you arrive or get lucky with a late drop. If you are offsite, you might only be offered Soarin'. If I was in HS right now and realized I would not able be to use a1:30-2:30pm pass for ToT, my HS alternate options are pretty limited. Mind, I'm just using now as an example. Mostly, when I'm at WDW, mostly if I was looking at modifying passes, it was usually more like 9:30am. There is also the phantom availability I mentioned. What you can see from home is not often what you can actually book when you attempt to book a pass. MDE often said passes were available until I tried to book them, or else the timing of the pass jumped wildly. What looked like a 1-2pm pass instantly changed to some random, much later time, like 5-6pm. I also meant that if you entirely miss a time window entirely, say Buzz, you can't rebook that specific attraction again, or modify the time window by yourself. You can book a different pass, but the only option to use the Buzz LL is if a blue tent CM can reinstate the pass. This last part was a real problem when WDW has/had the Virtual Queues. My VQ group was called for Tiana, but the wait for Tiana was 2 hours, and I therefore missed 2 return windows. (they overlapped 10minutes, and the 1st was just about to start when my BG was called.) Technically, I was off Tiana before then 2nd LL expired, but it was SpaceMtn, and I only had a few min left inside my official time window. No way was I running across MK in the mid-day summer heat.

Purduevian4 hours ago

The G+ system was easier to maximize. The system always had massive jumps in time exactly 7am, 2 hours and 4 hours after park opening. If the user was 10 seconds late, it could cost hours. Even worse, the issue continued to stack. If the park opened at 8am and you booked LL2 at 10:02, you now couldn't book again until 12:02pm putting you even further and further behind (assuming you were stuck with the 2 hour rule). LLMP on the other hand "forces" everyone to get at least 3 attractions and the jumps are not nearly as extreme after the initial booking period. Even though I could get on more attractions with G+, I think I actually preferred my LLMP day as I was better able to plan what area of the park I wanted to be at and at what time. Grouping LLs together is huge.

TheMaxRebo5 hours ago

I agree - and think that is what Disney preferred and also the "average" guest would prefer Power users definitely were able to maximize Genie+ more if they wanted to focus on tier 1 type rides. Having the tiers with LLMP spreads crowds a bit and better ensure everyone can get at least a couple rides they really want but less likely to get everything

Purduevian6 hours ago

I guess I just found it interesting that Disney has been inflating standby wait times for at least 23 years. I think this further backs up the idea that this isn't some new thing they are doing to sell more LLs I used G+ twice at WDW and LLMP once so far. If you dig and understand either system, both had pretty good results. I think LLMP has a lower celling, but a higher floor than G+ (Meaning power users did better at G+, but the average user probably does better with LLMP). My last trip, on LLMP I prebooked Tiana, HM, and Pooh. I was able to pick up JC, Pirates, Big Thunder, Pan, Mermaid, Dumbo, Barnstormer, and Buzz that day. EPCOT on that same trip started with SSE, Nemo, and Frozen. I was able to pick up Soarin, the Land, Figment, and Remy throughout that day. LLPP obviously takes no knowledge and no phone time and yields better results than even a computer could probably pull (looking at you Standby Skipper)

Sirwalterraleigh6 hours ago

I think they’re saying that there aren’t enough slots to move anything around…maybe from 11 am to like 8:15 pm…but generally speaking it’s not easy to modify. Same problem growing for decades…you need slots for your customers and they haven’t built it. Really at all

nickys6 hours ago

How so? On the day you can modify it, either the time or the ride & time. And once you’ve tapped out not one then you have even more choice.

JAN J6 hours ago

Makes sense. And thanks for correcting the acronym!

MickeyLuv'r7 hours ago

huh? This is incorrect. With LLMP, you pick 3 rides/passes BEFORE you pay for it, not the other way around. You don't know what you will get beyond those 3, but you do know exactly what and when your first 3 passes are. Mind, for offsite guests or those who book it late, the options are not always great. Even when staying onsite, and booking at 7am, I have not been particularly impressed with what I was offered. And one's options quickly degrade the more you try to swap/change the passes. The best offering is usually the times you are initially offered. After buying them, I have been able to move some passes ahead by 5-10minutes. Rarely have I been able to improve the return times more than that. I do find it slightly ironic that what you are saying about LLMP is what many people said about G+. As crappy as G+ was, IMO, it was still better than LLMP when I consider how many passes I was able to book. Mind, I agree with you that LLMP sucks. One of the many ways it sucks is that if you know you will miss a pass, you often have zero ability to modify the time. They do allow, I think, a 2 hour grace period, but that is only partially useful.

JD807 hours ago

Before you pay you know exactly what you're getting. So if you can't get the rides you want, don't pay.

bmr15917 hours ago

Because MP sucks. I'm certain there are people who love to have things planned seven days ahead, but my family will never purchase it because I'm not promised to get any decent rides. I've read so many stories of people purchasing LLMP and finding every single decent attraction already sold out. Why would someone pay $120 for a family of 4 to go ride Barnstormer, Dumbo, and Little Mermaid? For all the crap Genie+ received, I'd take it over MP in a heartbeat. If you knew the system, you could get a ton of value out of it and ride all that you wanted to. I can't get any real value out of MP. With that said, I am well aware that my family's success with Genie+ came at the expense of others' failures.

JD807 hours ago

I'm just saying, these questions have always been asked and will always be asked when humans are asked to wait for things and pay for things.